Spiritual Warriors  August 8, 2000

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "Well, are we ready to start?"

AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "yep "

jedavis03 says, "sure"

seashell_71 says, "ready freddie!!"

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "Let's pray."

wvstarwolf_oamcit says, "yeppers "

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "Heavenly Father, we thank you for another opportunity to come together for fellowship and for learning more about you."

wvstarwolf_oamcit says, "yes Lord"

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "We thank you that you have provided a means so we can be together like this and discuss what you have in your word."

AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "Yes Lord"

wvstarwolf_oamcit says, "Father, grant us wisdom and understanding."

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "We ask tonight that you will open our eyes to what you would have us learn and that you would show us more about you."

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "We will be careful to give you all praise and glory and honor, Jesus, for we pray this in your name."

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "Amen."

AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "Amen"

jedavis03 says, "Amen"

seashell_71 says, "amen"

 ParepidemosOAMpastor says, "Amen"

wvstarwolf_oamcit says, "Amen"

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "Tonight we are going to discuss the holiness of God."

seashell_71 says, "oh yeah, good cucumbers"

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "Turn to Revelation 4:8"

 ParepidemosOAMpastor says, "flip, flip, flip"

AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "got it "

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "This chapter gives us a glimpse into what the presence of God is like."

seashell_71 says, "got it"

jedavis03 says, "there"

wvstarwolf_oamcit says, "got it"

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "Actually, John is peeking through a door into heaven."

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "If you look at verse 1, you can see...."there before me was a door standing open in heaven""

AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "listens"

wvstarwolf_oamcit listens.

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "He describes the majesty of the presence of God."

seashell_71 listens.

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "the colors, the sounds, the sights...."

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "And who was on the throne?"

wvstarwolf_oamcit says, "Jesus"

seashell_71 says, "a rainbow??"

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "Ah, the rainbow encircled the throne."

jedavis03 says, "one"

seashell_71 says, "oh, okay, need to put on glasses...."

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "It's a quite colorful throne room, isn't it?"

sarah0806 enters

AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "yes it is "

wvstarwolf_oamcit says, "sure is, sounds beautiful"

AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "hi sarah"

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "Hi, Sarah."

wvstarwolf_oamcit says, "Hi sarah "

sarah0806 says, "sorry I'm late.."

 ParepidemosOAMpastor says, "Hi Sarah"

sarah0806 says, "hi everyone"

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "Look at verse 6, the end of it."

jedavis03 says, "Hi sarah"

€  ParepidemosOAMpastor says, "sit in the back with me Sarah."

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "Rev. 4:6"

sarah0806 says, "(sits next to pare)"

sarah0806 says, "ok"

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "In the center, around the throne, were four living creatures"

seashell_71 says, "4 beasts....."

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "right"

seashell_71 says, "lots o' eyes..."

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "Verse 7 describes them more in detail."

 ParepidemosOAMpastor says, "strange looking fellers."

AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "listens"

wvstarwolf_oamcit says, "Chalk are they cherabims?"

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "They had eyes all around.  Must have been the original ones "with eyes in the back of their heads"  "

AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "lol"

 ParepidemosOAMpastor says, "I do believe so Donna"

seashell_71 says, "they must have been moms...."

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "I don't think they are cherabim, but seraphim."

wvstarwolf_oamcit says, "must have been shell "

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "oops...sorry, Doug...last time I contradicted you I was wrong...hope that one's not wrong.  "

 ParepidemosOAMpastor says, "shrugs.  "

wvstarwolf_oamcit says, "what is the difference Deb?"

AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "lol at shell"

 ParepidemosOAMpastor says, "don't matter, perhaps both. "

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "The reason I say this is because in Isaiah 6 it talks about seraphs who had 6 wings."

jedavis03 says, "duty calls folks, got to go chase bad guys through the woods"

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "okay, Jack.  God bless!"

seashell_71 says, "be safe..."

sarah0806 says, "bye jack"

wvstarwolf_oamcit says, "okay Jack, God Bless...hugs"

 ParepidemosOAMpastor says, "right, so that is probably correct then Deb."

AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "bye Jack God Bless you bro"

jedavis03 says, "I will talk to you all later God Bless"

jedavis03 leaves

 ParepidemosOAMpastor says, "God bless Jack"

 ParepidemosOAMpastor says, "late as usuall."

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "The important thing is that day and night these beings did what?"

wvstarwolf_oamcit says, "praised God"

seashell_71 says, "they never rested....."

AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "Praised God"

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "They said, "Holy, holy, holy is the Lord God Almighty, who was, and is, and is to come.""

seashell_71 says, "what a great life...."

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "If they said it that much, then it must be a pretty important concept for us to grasp, right?"

wvstarwolf_oamcit says, "right"

 ParepidemosOAMpastor says, "right"

seashell_71 says, "yep"

AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "right"

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "God is holy.  So, what difference does that make to us?"

wvstarwolf_oamcit says, "I like the last part of that verse!"

 ParepidemosOAMpastor says, "is to come Donna? "

wvstarwolf_oamcit says, "yes Sir!!!"

 ParepidemosOAMpastor says, ""

AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "can't wait til that day "

wvstarwolf_oamcit says, "That we serve a holy and wonderful God"

wvstarwolf_oamcit says, "ditto Marcie"

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "What does "holy" mean?"

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "Everybody here have cheeta?"

AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "yep"

seashell_71 says, "yep"

wvstarwolf_oamcit says, "yep"

Main Entry:       ho·ly

Pronunciation:   'hO-lE

Function:           adjective

Inflected Form(s):           ho·li·er; -est

Etymology:        Middle English, from Old English hAlig; akin to Old English hAl whole -- more at WHOLE

Date:    before 12th century

1 : exalted or worthy of complete devotion as one perfect in goodness and righteousness

2 : DIVINE  <for the Lord our God is holy -- Psalms 99:9 (Authorized Version)>

3 : devoted entirely to the deity or the work of the deity  <a holy temple>  <holy prophets>

4 a : having a divine quality  <holy love> b : venerated as or as if sacred  <holy scripture>  <a holy relic>

5  -- used as an intensive  <this is a holy mess>  <he was a holy terror when he drank -- Thomas Wolfe> -- often used in combination as a mild oath  <holy smoke>

- ho·li·ly   /-l&-lE/ adverb"

sarah0806 says, "yes"

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "Remember how to do the "define" thing?"

wvstarwolf_oamcit says, "no, remind us."

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "It's   /define holy"

wvstarwolf_oamcit says, "worthy of complete devotion"

seashell_71 says, " exalted or worthy of complete devotion as one perfect in goodness and righteousness......"

sarah0806 says, "worthy complete devotion"

AServant4Him_OAMCIT leaves

wvstarwolf_oamcit says, "one who is perfect"

AServant4Him_OAMCIT enters

seashell_71 says, "love cut and paste....."

 hurtandrejected21 says, "mine didnt work"

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "wb, Marcie"

sarah0806 says, "wb Marcie"

ParepidemosOAMpastor says, "wb Marcie"

wvstarwolf_oamcit says, "wb Marcie"

AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "argggh froze up thanks guys"

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "Try it again, Hailey.  Make sure there's a space between define and holy   /define holy"

wvstarwolf_oamcit says, "yw"

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "I'd like to take that definition and go one step farther."

 hurtandrejected21 says, "i need help please"

seashell_71 listens.

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "1 : exalted or worthy of complete devotion as one perfect in goodness and righteousness"

AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "type in /define holy Hailey with a space between holy and define"

AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "listens to Deb"

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "actually, the better one is this:  3 : devoted entirely to the deity or the work of the deity  <a holy temple>  <holy prophets>"

wvstarwolf_oamcit listens to Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor.

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "This one is more accurate to what the word really means."

ParepidemosOAMpastor says, "phone, listening but on phone."

seashell_71 says, "brb......sorry...."

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "Being "holy" means "set apart"."

AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "ok hb shell "

wvstarwolf_oamcit says, "hb shell"

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "Where'd the dog come from??"

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "sorry....just wondered."

sarah0806 says, "lol"

wvstarwolf_oamcit says, "what dog? "

wvstarwolf_oamcit says, "lagging big time"

AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "looks at Deb"

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "Pare's avatar"

sarah0806 says, "i didnt' even notice it.."

wvstarwolf_oamcit says, "me either"

AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "I didn't see a dog"

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "Do any of you own fine china?"

wvstarwolf_oamcit says, "used to"

AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "My mom did at one time"

ParepidemosOAMpastor says, "here it is"

wvstarwolf_oamcit says, "that is cute Doug"

AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "aw how cute "

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "If you have a set of fine china, do you use it all the time?"

seashell_71 says, "am back...."

wvstarwolf_oamcit says, "no"

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "wb, Shell"

sarah0806 says, "wb shelly"

sarah0806 says, "no"

seashell_71 says, "no way, grandma would get me when I got to heaven...."

wvstarwolf_oamcit says, "wb Shell"

AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "no you don't "

AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "wb shell "

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "Right, fine china is used only on special occasions."

seashell_71 says, "thx all"

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "It is "set apart" for a special purpose, right?"

wvstarwolf_oamcit says, "yw "

AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "froze or is yahoo eating my words tonight?"

wvstarwolf_oamcit says, "both Marcie"

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "This is kind of what God is.  He is "set apart" from everything."

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "He is above all that is."

wvstarwolf_oamcit says, "Amen Deb"

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "This is why it is so very important to know that He is holy."

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "When we understand how holy God is, we know how far below Him we are."

ParepidemosOAMpastor says, "so much for those trying to obtain godhood."

sarah0806 says, "I was wondering why we were reading all the stuff on God being holy.."

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "When we talked about the word/faith teachings, we talked about how they are always trying to drag God down to our level."

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "The mark of a cult is trying to drag God down to our level...or raise us up to His."

seashell_71 says, "God is not at our level, we are his creation, how can we ever possibly be as holy as He is...."

AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "true"

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "But that's where the twisting comes in, Shelly."

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "in a way, we are holy like God."

wvstarwolf_oamcit says, "good ? to ask them shell"

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "But it doesn't come from within us, or from anything we do."

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "It comes from God giving His holiness to us."

wvstarwolf_oamcit says, "in the Holy Spirit right Deb?"

seashell_71 says, "Just ask them who they created???"

wvstarwolf_oamcit says, "another good ? Shelly"

ParepidemosOAMpastor says, "back"

seashell_71 says, "why thank you"

wvstarwolf_oamcit says, "wb pare"

AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "wb Doug "

wvstarwolf_oamcit says, "yw "

seashell_71 says, "wb dad"

ParepidemosOAMpastor says, "tks"

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "Yes, when we accept Christ, we are "set apart" from the rest of the world."

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "By the way, anyone here know what the Greek word for "church" actually means?"

AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "nope"

sarah0806 says, "no"

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "It's ecclesia...."called out ones""

ParepidemosOAMpastor says, "sanctuary?"

seashell_71 says, "Lord????"

ParepidemosOAMpastor says, "never thought about it."

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "We have been called out from the rest of the world."

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "We have been "set apart" from them for a special purpose."

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "We are like that fine china.  God has a specific purpose for us and has set us above all the others."

AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "the church isn't the building that we worship in we are the church the chosen ones"

seashell_71 says, "yep...got there now....got the strongs out...."

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "yes, we are all the chosen ones, the "called out ones"."

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "The difference between us and the china, though, is that apart from God, we have no value of our own."

seashell_71 says, "says a public divine worship too....."

AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "we still have to be refined in the fire unlike fine china that has already been fired"

seashell_71 says, "without worshipers, it's just four walls, like any other place...."

wvstarwolf_oamcit says, "Amen Shell"

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "It's like God takes His cloak of holiness and spreads it over us."

AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "listens to Deb"

seashell_71 says, "oooooooo... I like that deb...."

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "When He looks at us, He no longer sees our sin, but our holiness....HIS holiness that He has put on us."

Princess_OAM_Teencit enters

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "Hi, Tarin"

wvstarwolf_oamcit says, "which doesn't mean that we don't have trials, like some people think"

sarah0806 says, "hey Tarin"

seashell_71 says, "Hey princess"

AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "hi, tarin"

wvstarwolf_oamcit says, "Hi Tarin "

ParepidemosOAMpastor says, "Hi Tarin."

 Princess_OAM_Teencit says, "hi everyone"

 Princess_OAM_Teencit says, "sorry i'm late, my mom was on the phone"

ParepidemosOAMpastor says, "exactly Donna"

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "Now, here's a question for you.  If God has already given us His holiness, then do we need to try to be holy anymore?"

ParepidemosOAMpastor says, "in face,as Christians we face more trials, another falacy of the Word/faith stuff."

ParepidemosOAMpastor says, "face=fact"

seashell_71 says, "nope, we need to let God do all that....."

wvstarwolf_oamcit says, "thinking"

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "actually, the answer is both yes and no.  "

sarah0806 says, "ahh, a trick question "

wvstarwolf_oamcit says, "we need to try to be more like Jesus "

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "I like to throw in trick questions once in awhile...just to see if you're paying attention.  "

ParepidemosOAMpastor says, "lol sarah"

seashell_71 says, "seems the harder I try, the harder it is to achieve, but when I don't try so hard, poof, there it is...."

wvstarwolf_oamcit says, "Sarah and I hate those "

sarah0806 says, ""

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "Our salvation no longer rests on whether we try to be holy or not."

ParepidemosOAMpastor says, "ya got it Shelly. "

AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "we don't need an outward appearance to be holy as some churches think though holiness isn't in the outward appearance it's an inward things"

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "Holiness for salvation has already been given to us."

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "But because our God is holy, then out of our love and gratefulness to Him, we want to be holy like Him."

ParepidemosOAMpastor says, "right Deb"

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "Anyone in here have a friend?"

 Princess_OAM_Teencit says, "brb"

seashell_71 says, "I got a couple...."

Princess_OAM_Teencit leaves

ParepidemosOAMpastor says, "not one. "

sarah0806 says, "has one."

wvstarwolf_oamcit says, "not me, don't do friends"

seashell_71 says, "you got lots dad....."

AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "yep sure do "

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "Do you have a friend you like to spend a lot of time with?"

sarah0806 says, "yes"

seashell_71 says, "yep"

wvstarwolf_oamcit says, "used to"

ParepidemosOAMpastor says, "yep"

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "Have you ever noticed that when you're with that person a lot, you start picking up their mannerisms?"

seashell_71 says, "brb"

AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "looks at donna and doug "

ParepidemosOAMpastor says, "lie ya'all?"

ParepidemosOAMpastor says, "like"

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "lol"

wvstarwolf_oamcit says, "lol"

AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "lol"

sarah0806 says, "lol"

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "Certain words or phrases or ways of saying things...."

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "I even do it sometimes when I'm around students all the time."

AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "yes"

wvstarwolf_oamcit says, "yes"

wvstarwolf_oamcit says, "what is that look for Marcie "

ParepidemosOAMpastor says, "cool. "

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "I had one student who called everyone babe....I picked that one up for awhile."

AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, " back at donna"

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "And when I'm around Doug too much, I start making tpuysapras   typos.  "

AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "lol"

sarah0806 says, "lol"

AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "we all do"

wvstarwolf_oamcit says, "rofl "

ParepidemosOAMpastor says, "smacks Deb"

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "lol"

seashell_71 says, "well, I still talk california.....can't get rid of that"

seashell_71 says, "dude"

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "So, when we are spending consistent time with God, we will start to pick up His habits.  "

AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "yells at doug for that since Peg isn't here"

AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "I still say y'all from living in the south for awhile"

wvstarwolf_oamcit says, "never thought of it that way Deb"

ParepidemosOAMpastor says, "great analogy Deb, when we hang with Jesus, we become like him, and the bible does say that he calls us friends. "

seashell_71 says, "that's cool deb...."

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "This is the "yes" part of the answer to the question.  Should we try to be holy?  Yes, because we want to be like Him."

Princess_OAM_Teencit enters

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "wb, Tarin."

AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "wb tarin"

ParepidemosOAMpastor says, "wb Tarin"

wvstarwolf_oamcit says, "wb Tarin"

sarah0806 says, "wb Tarin"

seashell_71 says, "wb tarin"

mrosann enters

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "Hi, Marla"

ParepidemosOAMpastor says, "true Deb"

 Princess_OAM_Teencit says, "wow, thanks "

AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "hi Marla"

wvstarwolf_oamcit says, "Hi Marla"

ParepidemosOAMpastor says, "Hi Marla. "

mrosann says, "hello"

sarah0806 says, "hi marla"

seashell_71 says, "hey marla"

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "So, we are given a holiness, a "set apartedness" by God when we accept Jesus' finished work."

wvstarwolf_oamcit says, "that is sooooo cool"

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "But we continue to try to be like Him because we love Him and want to be like Him."

seashell_71 says, "so we don't need to try so hard, it's already there??"

AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, ""

wvstarwolf_oamcit says, "right Shell"

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "Yep, and God works the other in us as we spend time with Him."

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "Now, you want to know something really cool?"

seashell_71 says, "that's cool....I never thought about it that way....."

seashell_71 says, "am freezing, brb..."

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "This entire thing is called sanctification."

seashell_71 leaves

ParepidemosOAMpastor says, "Yes, and that is why the true gospel is rejected, it truly is one of those things that sounds to good to be true, but it is true. "

seashell_71 enters

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "wb, Shell"

AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "that answers a question I've had for a week "

 Princess_OAM_Teencit says, "wb shell"

wvstarwolf_oamcit says, "wb shell"

sarah0806 says, "wb shell"

AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "wb shell "

seashell_71 says, "thx...."

seashell_71 says, "much better...."

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "Sanctified or sanctification all has to do with "set asidedness""

seashell_71 says, "that is cool deb....."

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "And those who are "set aside" like this are called "saints"."

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "Who would be a saint then?"

wvstarwolf_oamcit says, "ME"

 Princess_OAM_Teencit says, "me"

seashell_71 says, "believers in Christ"_"

AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "me "

ParepidemosOAMpastor says, "God see's us as we will be when we receive our glorified body, not as we are."

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "Saint Donna, Saint Tarin, Saint Shelly, Saint Marcie, Saint Hailey, Saint Marla, Saint Sarah, Saint Doug.  "

seashell_71 says, "I wonder though....why is it so easy to not act like a saint???"

wvstarwolf_oamcit says, "and Saint Deb"

AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "and Saint Deb "

ParepidemosOAMpastor says, "Yep, Saint Doug, didn't even need the Pope to do that. "

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "lol"

 Princess_OAM_Teencit says, "lol"

sarah0806 says, "lol"

AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "rofl"

wvstarwolf_oamcit says, "lol"

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "Because although we have the title, Shelly, we still have our old nature fighting to have it's own way."

seashell_71 says, "man, mine fights a good fight...."

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "But having the title gives us a responsibility too."

wvstarwolf_oamcit says, "to act like one"

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "Right, Donna."

wvstarwolf_oamcit says, "ty"

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "The Bible uses sanctified 9 times in the NT.  "

AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "listening"

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "And besides that term, we are also called "ambassadors"."

ParepidemosOAMpastor says, "representatives of Christ."

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "These terms indicate a responsibility to live in a holy way in order to give people a good impression of Christ."

seashell_71 says, "it's much responsibility....."

ParepidemosOAMpastor says, "a represenative represents one, but is not the one being represented"

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "I mean, if we sent an ambassador to France and the guy got busted for drug trafficking, that reflects on the US."

AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "I heard a really good story on the Christian radio... we are ambassadors in this world we need to remember our true home "heaven" and represent it appropriately"

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "exactly, Marcie."

ParepidemosOAMpastor says, "good one Marcie."

seashell_71 says, "oooooooo  that's a good one marcie..."

wvstarwolf_oamcit says, "sure is"

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "Sometimes we have to keep reminding ourselves that we are fine china and not plastic tupperware."

wvstarwolf_oamcit says, "lol Deb, sometimes it is hard to do"

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "The trick here is to balance our idea of ourselves.  We are highly exalted in God"

ParepidemosOAMpastor says, "I know Donna, and that is why we are to set our eyes on things above."

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "God's eyes, but that is not because of who we are inside..."

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "But because of who CHRIST is in us."

ParepidemosOAMpastor says, "hooray Deb, yep, that is it in a nutshell."

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "There are many groups out there who keeps telling people to get to know who they are in Christ.  They're missing the point."

seashell_71 says, "so don't look at me, look who lives in my heart...."

ParepidemosOAMpastor says, "right Shelly."

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "Right.  Our ambassador to France is not really what counts.  It's the US that he represents."

seashell_71 says, "WOW...."

ParepidemosOAMpastor says, "she in this case Deb. "

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seashell_71 says, "if only people could look at others that way...."

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "An ambassador from the US and an ambassador from Equatorial Guinea are definitely different."

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "They both might be nice people, but one has the entire US government behind them.  And the other only a little bitty country in Africa."

ParepidemosOAMpastor says, "I agree Shelly, and that is exactly what the bible does teach us, but how many churches act this way that we know of?"

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "It has nothing to do with the person him/herself.  But only with the One who sent them."

wvstarwolf_oamcit says, "not very many Doug"

seashell_71 says, "most of the churches I have been to, except one....right tarin"

 Princess_OAM_Teencit says, "huh?"

seashell_71 says, "churches.....hdc??"

 Princess_OAM_Teencit says, "what about it?"

ParepidemosOAMpastor says, "How many would you feel comfortable with confessing your faults to one another?"

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AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "not I"

wvstarwolf_oamcit says, "wb Sarah"

seashell_71 says, "I was baptized there...."

sarah0806 says, "i wouldn't"

 Princess_OAM_Teencit says, "oh me too "

wvstarwolf_oamcit says, "me either"

sarah0806 says, "ty"

wvstarwolf_oamcit says, "yw"

ParepidemosOAMpastor says, "Yes, but that is exactly what the bible teaches that believers are to do."

 Princess_OAM_Teencit says, "who baptized u?"

seashell_71 says, "I could to some........I have to some..."

seashell_71 says, "Pastor Mercer..."

ParepidemosOAMpastor says, "Bless his heart then. "

 Princess_OAM_Teencit says, "oh Pastor Dan did me"

AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "true... but most of us are afraid of people being judgemental"

ParepidemosOAMpastor says, "Yes, there are some wonderful churches out there."

seashell_71 says, "oh, cool, he was the associate pastor way back then..."

ParepidemosOAMpastor says, "just have to look."

wvstarwolf_oamcit says, "but they shouldn't be Marcie"

 Princess_OAM_Teencit says, "oh really?"

seashell_71 says, "I was much younger then....."

AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "I've found a wonderful one Doug "

wvstarwolf_oamcit says, "I am going back to mine Sunday."

seashell_71 says, "yep, I think so...."

sarah0806 says, "i wish i could find one..."

 Princess_OAM_Teencit says, "cool"

seashell_71 says, "it's been since "86...."

ParepidemosOAMpastor says, "Great Marcie. "

 Princess_OAM_Teencit says, "wow i was only 1?"

 Princess_OAM_Teencit says, "i mean    not ?"

seashell_71 says, "okay, stop that now...I feel old....hehe"

 Princess_OAM_Teencit says, "i'm out of it"

AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "thinks we kind of got off the subject here "

wvstarwolf_oamcit says, "lol Tarin, she is telling your age Shell "

seashell_71 says, "I am not ashamed, I will always be my age   29"

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "Just one more thought about the holiness of God."

 Princess_OAM_Teencit says, "lol"

AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "listens to Deb"

 Princess_OAM_Teencit says, "my mom always says 29 and holding"

 Princess_OAM_Teencit says, "sorry listening"

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "Remember that it is because of His holiness that we can realize our sinfulness."

seashell_71 listens.

wvstarwolf_oamcit listens to Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor.

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "When we understand God's holiness, then we see our sinfulness in a whole new light."

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "It's like, my house is kind of messy."

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "I'm a messie.  "

AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "is a messie too "

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "I keep so many things that they tend to clutter things up around here."

wvstarwolf_oamcit says, "me too"

sarah0806 says, "me 3 "

 Princess_OAM_Teencit says, "me too, my mom hates it"

wvstarwolf_oamcit says, "we are called "pack rats""

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "But when I'm here by myself, I really don't notice how messy or cluttered it is....until company comes over."

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "Then all of a sudden, it's like I'm looking through different eyes!"

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "I see things that I really hadn't noticed before!  I see the dust, the books stacked on the floor, the papers on the couch."

seashell_71 says, "I start cleaning when they come in the door!!"

AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "rofl"

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "When someone comes over, that's when I REALLY see how bad my house is."

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "When we see God's holiness, that is when we see just how bad our sin is."

AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "right"

seashell_71 says, "you notice every partical of dust...."

wvstarwolf_oamcit says, "right"

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "And when we realize that His holiness has been given to us, free of charge, not because of who we are, but because of who HE IS, we become truly grateful for His wonderful grace to us!"

AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, ""

wvstarwolf_oamcit says, "Amen Deb "

seashell_71 says, "like, we get comfy in our messes...and dont notice it until we have others to look"

seashell_71 says, "yep"

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "So there is a balance when we think of God's holiness."

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "We see our sin much more, but we also see His grace much more because even though we are sinful wretches, we are covered by His cloak of holiness."

seashell_71 says, "Amen deb"

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "To go either way completely with those ideas is to get out of what God wants you to know."

AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "is so thankful for that cloak "

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "If we focus too much on our sin or we focus too much on His grace, then we forget the balance."

 Princess_OAM_Teencit says, "thats so cool"

wvstarwolf_oamcit says, "me too Marcie, thank God everyday!!!"

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "It's our depravity and the dignity He gave to us.  They go together...ALWAYS."

seashell_71 says, "way cool..."

Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "That's all I had for tonight.  "

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