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Spiritual Warriors August 25, 2000 You see here: Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor sarah0806 enters sarah0806 says, "hi Deb" Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "Hi, Sarah." Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "Wow...gonna take some getting used to...am using Pare's keyboard." Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "oh, yuck" Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "got his frog and red" sarah0806 says, "lol" sarah0806 says, "definitely not ur color " Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "there, better" AServant4Him_OAMCIT enters sarah0806 says, "how have u been?" AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "Hi Deb" AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "Hi sarah " Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "Hi, Marcie" sarah0806 says, "hi servant" AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "how are you two tonight?" Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "I'm going to be making all kinds of typos....I'm on Doug's computer." sarah0806 says, "i'm ok..." sarah0806 says, "u?" JackieO71 enters AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "I'm good " sarah0806 says, "hi jackie" AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "lol uh huh" sarah0806 says, "lol" JackieO71 says, "hi everyone" AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "HI Jackie " Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "Hi, Jackie" JackieO71 says, "hello!!!!!hello!!!!!!!" AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "your puter messing up again Deb?" seashell_71 enters Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "No, trying to leave the phone line open for a call." AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "ah ok" JackieO71 says, "no chatters are on my list" Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "His computer is the second line." sarah0806 says, "hi shelly" Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "Jackie, try going out and coming back in again." AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "hi Shelly " seashell_71 says, "hi sarah " JackieO71 says, "ok" JackieO71 leaves seashell_71 says, "hey servant, I don't think I know your name???" AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "Marcie " Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "I have to get used to this keyboard....hard to type on a regular one after using the split one." JackieO71 enters seashell_71 says, "yeah, I did know it...what a blonde..." AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "wb Jackie" sarah0806 says, "wb jackie" seashell_71 says, "how are you all doin today??" sarah0806 says, "ok, u?" seashell_71 says, "good here..." AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "blessed wonderfully blessed " Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "Hey, you guys, I just got Hank Hannegraaff's book on tape, Christianity in Crisis. It's incredible!" AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "cool I'll have to check it out" Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "Doug and I listened to half of it earlier today." seashell_71 says, "I read the book, but is the tape easier to follow??" sarah0806 says, "cool\" Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "For real, Marcie...the tape has the actual people saying the actual things. It's really incredible." AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "hmmm I'll have to get ahold of it" JackieO71 leaves seashell_71 says, "where did you pick it up deb?" Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "It's one thing to hear that they have said "I am a little god" but when you actually hear it....wow!" Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "I got it at that new little Christian bookstore in Loveland...on Madison." Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "I had to order it, but it came in almost immediately." AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "I ordered the second book from Jay Adams about competent to counsel I'm just waiting on it to come in" seashell_71 says, "well, we may have to go up there....wow...cool...." Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "It's over by the Albertson's." seashell_71 says, "oh okay, I know now where it is..." seashell_71 says, "by the beauty supply... " Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "Hmmm...should I say the east Albertson's?" Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "over by Sam's Club." sarah0806 says, "u 2 live near each other?" seashell_71 says, "oh, okay....gotcha...on eisenhower..." Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "I'm out in Colorado right now, Sarah....and that's where Shell is." sarah0806 says, "ooh i c" Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "yeah, just back in a bit." sarah0806 says, "when do u go back to in?" Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "might be a beauty supply there...I didn't look." seashell_71 says, "no, I was thinkin the other albertsons...." Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "I go back at the end of this month sometime, Sarah....it all kind of depends on what is going on as to when I can leave." seashell_71 says, "on taft and eisenhower...." Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "No, not that one." sarah0806 says, "cool" Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "If I go up on 287, turn right." seashell_71 says, "now I know...will check it out....." moongirl312 enters AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "hi Tina " moongirl312 says, "Hello" sarah0806 says, "hi moon" moongirl312 says, "Hello" moongirl312 says, "How is everyone?" seashell_71 says, "Hey ya moon " moongirl312 says, "Hi there" AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "blessed and you?" seashell_71 says, "good and U?" moongirl312 says, "ok, thanks" Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "Hi, Tina" moongirl312 says, "Hi Deb" Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "Well, are we ready to start?" moongirl312 says, "let's go for it" sarah0806 says, "yep" AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "yep " seashell_71 says, "shoot" Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "Let's pray." moongirl312 says, "ok" Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "Heavenly Father, we come before you tonight grateful of your love to us." AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "Yes Lord" Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "We thank you and praise you for your goodness and grace." seashell_71 says, "yes Lord" Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "We ask for your blessing on our study tonight as we are eager to learn more about you." Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "Grant us your wisdom to understand what you have given us in your written word." Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "We ask this for your glory, Jesus, and in your name, amen." sarah0806 says, "amen" moongirl312 says, "amen" seashell_71 says, "amen" AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "Amen" Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "Tonight we are still in 1 Cor. 15." seashell_71 says, "yep" Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "Has anyone here ever witnessed a crime?" moongirl312 says, "yes" AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "yes" sarah0806 says, "yes" seashell_71 says, "yep, am from california...." Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "What kind of one?" Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "lol, Shell" moongirl312 says, "well, I watched a group of guys beat up my husband" seashell_71 says, "shootings....drive bys....car jackings...etc...." AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "i witnessed someone stealing a ladies purse then try to run her over with their car" sarah0806 says, "stealing" Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "Did any of you have to go to court to testify?" moongirl312 says, "nope" sarah0806 says, "no" seashell_71 says, "nope" AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "no it was settled out of court" Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "When something goes on, the court often wants to have witnesses...why do you think that is?" moongirl312 says, "to prove that the crime happned" sarah0806 says, "to make sure they know exactly what happened" AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "so it doesn't look like ones word against anothers" seashell_71 says, "because they take the story from all different points of view and figure out what really happened\" moongirl312 says, "right" seashell_71 says, "like taking a picture from all angles to see what it really is..." AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "froze?" Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "When something happens between a couple of people, there are usually two versions." Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "no, sorry for the delay...had to take care of something." AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "ah ok I've been having problems with westco tonight" Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "Actually, there are people who say there are really 3 versions....each of the two people and then the truth. " moongirl312 says, "it's ok" moongirl312 says, "true" seashell_71 says, "I have heard that one...." sarah0806 says, "yeah true" Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "Now, how many of you were around when George Washington lived?" moongirl312 says, "none" AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "not i" Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "How do you know for sure that George really lived?" seashell_71 says, "I hope none of us were..." AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "history books" moongirl312 says, "we have records" seashell_71 says, "because someone tells someone and so on and so on..." Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "And where did the history books and records come from?" sarah0806 says, "witnesses" seashell_71 says, "someone told them..." AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "people that lived at that time" moongirl312 says, "from the people that lived in his time" Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "right." sarah0806 says, "ah..i'm lagging" Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "People who lived at the same time as George Washington lived wrote about him." Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "How can we tell that the things they wrote are true?" Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "hmmm...Yahoo's hungry tonight." sarah0806 says, "bc they all go along w/ each other" AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "more then one person gives an accounting of it" seashell_71 says, "well, we take two or more writings and compare them..." sarah0806 says, "all the writings i mean" AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "Deb did you forget to feed yahoo again? " Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "Good, so if there are several witnesses and they all tell the same story we are pretty sure that the story they tell is true." Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "is that it?" seashell_71 says, "yep" moongirl312 says, "right" Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "Yep, forgot that it was my night, Marcie. " sarah0806 says, "yes" AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "yes if only one person was witness and wrote about it it would be in doubt" Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "Now, what if I wrote something about George now and someone who lived at the same time wrote something about him. Which of the two would be more accurate?" seashell_71 says, "not you ....sorry...." moongirl312 says, "the one from then" AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "the one by the person who lived at the same time" sarah0806 says, "the other person" seashell_71 says, " " Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "Why would that be more accurate?" seashell_71 says, "they witnessed it..." sarah0806 says, "bc he was there" moongirl312 says, "because he lived during his era" AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "Marshall says goodnight everyone brb need to tuck him in" Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "What do you think would have happened if someone who lived at the same time he did wrote something that wasn't true about him?" Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "Night, Marshall!" moongirl312 says, "hmmm........" moongirl312 says, "goodnight " sarah0806 says, "nite marshall" Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "Well, let's say now...what if I write something that is untrue about the President?" Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "What would happen?" seashell_71 says, "the others who did live at that time, would come and say it wasn't true." moongirl312 says, "well, scandal I guess" seashell_71 says, "Clinton, you probably would not be far off....." AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "you would be in big trouble Deb" sarah0806 says, "lol" Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "Right...if there was someone else who witnessed something different, they would write about it and tell me I was a liar." onfireandlovingit enters seashell_71 says, "yea" Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "Hey, Onfire. Glad you could make it. HUGS!" sarah0806 says, "hi onfire" moongirl312 says, "Hello" seashell_71 says, "Hi onfire " onfireandlovingit says, "hello everyone hugs back" Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "So, there are a few tests that can be done to tell whether something is accurate or not." moongirl312 says, "ok" Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "One of them is if there is more than one person who gives the same story." AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "listening" seashell_71 says, "everyone needs to find common ground." Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "And the other is if the person was living at the same time as the one in question." onfireandlovingit says, "may i ask what the chat/study is on tonite i was late" JackieO71 enters Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "We're just getting into it, Onfire. 1 Cor. 15" Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "wb, Jackie" sarah0806 says, "wb jackie" seashell_71 says, "wb jackie" JackieO71 says, "thanks" Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "Now, if you all look at 1 Cor. 15:5....." JackieO71 says, "hope I can stay this time" Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor grabs Jackie and holds her down. moongirl312 says, "lol" JackieO71 says, "aaahhhhhh" JackieO71 says, "needed that" Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, ""and that He appeared to Peter and then to the Twelve."....who is this talking about?" seashell_71 says, "apostles" Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "Who is it that appeared to the apostles?" moongirl312 says, "Jesus" JackieO71 says, "Jesus" Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "Is this before or after He died?" sarah0806 says, "Jesus" JackieO71 says, "after" moongirl312 says, "after" sarah0806 says, "after" seashell_71 says, "Jesus" Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "And was Jesus a spirit at this time or a body or both?" seashell_71 says, "I can't read and type..." sarah0806 says, "both" onfireandlovingit leaves sarah0806 says, "?" JackieO71 says, "spirit" AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "both" seashell_71 says, "both" JackieO71 says, "ok both" Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "He was both....we talked about this before....He died physically but not spiritually because God cannot die spiritually." Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "sorry for the delay...hate this keyboard! ARRRRGGGGG!" AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "lol" JackieO71 says, "know that feeling" Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "So, Jesus appeared to them in a glorified body, one that had flesh and bones." AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "right" JackieO71 says, "yes" seashell_71 says, "yeppers" moongirl312 says, "ok" Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "Now, if you look at verse 6, you will see who else He appeared to...." moongirl312 says, "right" Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "Remember the tests of accuracy we said?" moongirl312 says, "500" seashell_71 says, "500 some were sleeping..." sarah0806 says, "yep" JackieO71 says, "ok" Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "Here we are given a large number who all had the same story." Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "These are the witnesses." seashell_71 says, "I have a question about verse 6...." Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "go ahead" seashell_71 says, "it says some were still alive and some were sleeping, does sleeping=death????" Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "Yes, in this case sleeping means death." Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "And that brings us to the next test of accuracy." seashell_71 says, "okay...got it" AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "listens" Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "Paul tells us here, "If you don't believe me, just go ask them....most of them are still alive."" Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "If this really had not have happened.....don't you think there would have been people speaking against it and writing against Jesus' resurrection?" AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "yes" moongirl312 says, "yep" sarah0806 says, "yes" seashell_71 says, "yep" Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "But there are no writings against it." seashell_71 says, "not at that time anyways...." moongirl312 says, "nope" moongirl312 says, "good point " Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "This is a very important thing. The whole of Christianity revolves around Jesus' death and resurrection." JackieO71 says, "yes" Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "Jesus is the ONLY God to have risen from the dead." sarah0806 listens seashell_71 listens. JackieO71 says, "amen" Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "Not only did Jesus die for our sins, but since He was God Himself, He raised from the dead." seashell_71 says, "it's fulfilled prophesy" moongirl312 says, "right" Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "And because He raised from the dead, we have confidence that He will raise us too." moongirl312 says, "ok" Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "That is why verse 6 says that some have fallen asleep." Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "They are only sleeping until Jesus comes to call us all home." seashell_71 says, "there it is...." JackieO71 says, "yes" AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "witout that we have no hope" seashell_71 says, "now it makes more sense" seashell_71 says, "I did not know why that was thrown in there..." Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "This is why this passage is very important. It was not refuted and if people who were living could have refuted it, they would have." Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "Now, here's a further thought on this line." moongirl312 says, "ok" AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "listens" seashell_71 says, "but He spoke even to the dead...." JackieO71 says, "ok" Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "The Apostles preached that Jesus raised from the dead." JackieO71 says, "yes HE DID" Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "Do any of you know how the Apostles died?" moongirl312 says, "nope" AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "all but one was martyred" seashell_71 says, "martyred" JackieO71 says, "some were martyrd" Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "right, Marcie...which one was NOT martyred?" AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "John" Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "Right...now, the bonus question...who was the first Apostle to be killed?" AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "Stephen" Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "He wasn't an apostle. " JackieO71 says, "Peter" JackieO71 says, "???????" AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "has no idea" sarah0806 says, "have no clue" seashell_71 says, "don't ask me.....I am not raising my hand...." JackieO71 says, "haha" moongirl312 says, "?????" Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "James....since I'm at Doug's computer I dont' have my bible program...it's in Acts." JackieO71 says, "ok" Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "give me a sec and I'll try to look it up through his." sarah0806 says, "k" seashell_71 says, "I haven't loaded mine on the new puter...got two bibles in front of me though\" Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "Acts 12:2" JackieO71 says, "dont have my bible with me" Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "He had James, the brother of John, put to death with the sword." seashell_71 says, "you can borrow one of mine jackie " JackieO71 says, "thanks!!!!!!1" Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "Here's something interesting....I am not sure, but I think it's interesting that in 1 Cor. 15:6 it says that Jesus appeared specifically to James." JackieO71 says, "hmm" Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "sorry, verse 7..." seashell_71 says, "yeah...hmmmmmmmmmm " Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "Then He appeared to James...." seashell_71 says, "why james though...." Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "Wonder if maybe Jesus was preparing James for being the first of them to be martyred...." AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "i think so" JackieO71 says, "could be" Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "Just wondering...I can't back it up or anything, but I don't know why Paul would specify James there." seashell_71 says, "well if I were to be martyred, I would want to go first..." moongirl312 says, "he also did not believ in Him before the resurrection" Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "Now, back to why I was saying this about being martyred." JackieO71 says, "oh" AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "listening" Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "Did the Apostles know for sure that Jesus raised from the dead?" AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "no" JackieO71 says, "yes" sarah0806 says, "i think so...they saw his hands and feet" seashell_71 says, "the holes in his hands..." JackieO71 says, "and they saw Him" Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "When critics come against the Bible saying it's not true, ask them why the apostles would all give up their lives in horrible ways if they knew this wasn't true." JackieO71 says, "so did His mother" seashell_71 says, "good one deb..." AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "yes it is a good one" JackieO71 says, "yes" Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "You see, people might die for something they BELIEVE to be true, but who is going to give up their lives for something they KNOW to be false?" sarah0806 says, "agrees" seashell_71 says, "yep" JackieO71 says, "no one" Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor gives credit to Pare...especially since he's sitting here watching me right now. seashell_71 says, "Hi dad " AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, " Hi Doug " JackieO71 says, "Hi Doug!!!!!! " Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "He says hi." sarah0806 says, "hi pare " moongirl312 says, "Hey Doug" Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "oops...howdy....just watchin' " seashell_71 says, "I have another question....but it is further on in the scriptures....." JackieO71 says, "giving his approval" Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "So, what we have covered tonight are some things to be able to say when someone asks you how you know the Bible is true." JackieO71 says, "yes" JackieO71 says, "make sence" Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "You know that Jesus raised from the dead because 1. There were many witnesses." moongirl312 says, "I can't wait to share it with my hubby" Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "2. There were contemporary witnesses that would have contradicted them if it had not happened." Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "3. The Apostles would have known it was a lie and would never have died for something they KNEW to be a lie." Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "and Doug said one more thing...." Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "If there would have been a body, the authorities would have dragged it through the streets in order to contradict the myth." AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, "true" JackieO71 says, "true" seashell_71 says, "very true...." JackieO71 says, "good thinking" Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "So, the next time people question whether Jesus really did raise from the dead, here are some things you can say." Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "That's all I had for tonight...a short and sweet one. " AServant4Him_OAMCIT says, " good one too " sarah0806 says, "yeah" seashell_71 says, "cool study..." moongirl312 says, "good" sarah0806 says, "it was neat" moongirl312 says, "thanks Deb, great one" seashell_71 says, "I tell you the kjv kinda lost me, but I grabbed my dad'" Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "thanks...amazing what God can do, even when we don't think we have much to offer." seashell_71 says, "s old niv..." moongirl312 says, "yep" moongirl312 says, "well, I am off to the grocery store now" Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "Well, I guess I should be going too...have a couple of things to take care of tonight...." moongirl312 says, "hope you all have a great night" Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor says, "May God's blessings go with all of you tonight!" JackieO71 says, "yes" AServant4Him_OAMCIT Hugs my special friend moongirl312 I thank God for you everyday... You mean so much to me!!!!! seashell_71 says, "okay....see ou all later...." AServant4Him_OAMCIT Hugs my special friend Chalkbrd_OAM_Counselor I thank God for you everyday... You mean so much to me!!!!! sarah0806 says, "yeah" moongirl312 says, "you too Deb" JackieO71 says, "even tho I missed part of it" AServant4Him_OAMCIT Hugs my special friend JackieO71 I thank God for you everyday... You mean so much to me!!!!! |
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